Update: Per Gordon Edes….No details yet. Team is Dodgers. A third team is involved. Jason Bay is a Red Sox.
Ken Rosenthal (Will he make a decison)
However, the three-way Manny Ramirez blockbuster remains dead, according to two sources with clubs involved in the negotiations.
The three-way Manny Ramirez blockbuster may be back on, with Pirates outfielder Jason Bay headed to the Red Sox, sources say.The Rays were also in talks to acquire Bay in the minutes leading to Thursday’s 4 p.m. ET non-waiver deadline, but one source has said that the Tampa-Pittsburgh deal is off “unless a miracle happens.”
Gammons says Tampa thinks Bay is going to Boston
It’s looking like the Red Sox are not engaged with the Dodgers in any talks regarding Manny Ramirez.
Looks like, according to a Red Sox source, that a three-way deal for Manny Ramirez will not happen. The Sox also offered two prospects in the deal, but still couldn’t make it work.
The Sox are still trying to make a deal for Manny. The Dodgers are in play..
The potential blockbuster trade that would have sent embattled Boston slugger Manny Ramirez to the Marlins has hit a snag, but the Red Sox are now talking to the Los Angeles Dodgers, as well, SI.com has learned.
The Marlins deal isn’t believed to be dead, but it appears Florida was unhappy with one or more aspects of the potential blockbuster.
Ramirez has approved a trade to go to Florida, Philadelphia, Los Angels or anywhere else, SI.com has learned. So all that needs to be done is to agree on the players.
The Red Sox, who appear motivated to trade Ramirez, have spent most of their time on the Marlins over the past 24 hours. But sources say the Dodgers have always remained interested.
Less than 2 hours before the trading deadline, the Red Sox were still trying to make this 3-way deal with the Pirates and Marlins work, but as one source said, “They’re not going to be stupid about it.” At the moment, the deal would require the Red Sox to include prospects as well as Manny Ramirez and the $7 million remaining on his 2008 salary, a price the Sox appear unwilling to pay at this time.
Another industry source said within the last 10 minutes that he thinks talks will go down to the 4 p.m. deadline.
That’s all for now …
Reports are beginning to surface that the three-way deal for Manny Ramirez is dead or close to dead, but I’m not buying it. The same snags exist now that existed this morning, and there’s still time to work them out before the 4 p.m. deadline.
Also, according to a source, Manny is spending the day shopping in Boston, relaxing and waiting like the rest of us. He is anxious to learn where he may be playing Friday.
The Manny Ramirez trade remains on hold, and there are growing indications that the three-team blockbuster may be in trouble.
The Pirates’ return for Bay, sources say, is the last holdup in the deal. The Pirates are seeking an “appropriate return for an All-Star caliber left fielder” — and one who is affordable at $5.75 million this season and $7.5 million in 2009.
Jayson Stark reports:
Yet another official with one of these three teams says the Manny-Bay deal is dead. In the aftermath, the teams involved seem unsure of what happened. The Pirates are blaming the Marlins. The Marlins are blaming the Pirates. And the Red Sox aren’t too happy with either of them.
According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, the Pirates have agreed to the prospects they’d receive in a Manny Ramirez-Jason Bay-Jeremy Hermida deal.
Peter Gammons On ESPN Radio:
“The Sox, Marlins and Pirates have no idea what is going to happen. The Red Sox need to find someone to take Manny, 7 million and three players. This is unprecedented, Manny told the Sox to trade him or he will not play.”
Also, Buster Olney said:
“If he’s not traded by 4 p.m. today, there’s a 1 percent chance that he finishes the year with the Red Sox.”
The Manny Ramirez trade appears to be moving closer to completion
“It sounds like things are taking off and Pittsburgh is getting what they are looking for,” said an executive who has been in contact with the clubs involved.
Another source familiar with the discussions, however, continued to express caution, indicating that the talks remain in a tenuous state.
A source close to the three-way negotiations involving Manny Ramirez says the deal is close to dead. Florida has reportedly asked Boston for a cash outlay beyond the $7 million to cover Ramirez’s contract, in addition to two prospects. That essentially would add up to the Red Sox trading Ramirez, $9 million and two prospects for Jason Bay.
Jon Heyman on CNNSI.com writes:
It’s still possible Ramirez could remain with the Red Sox, though it’s now believed more likely than not that a deal will be consummated close to today’s 4 p.m. ET deadline.
Per Gordon Edes at 11:36 AM:
I’m warning you right now, you may come away from this as frustrated as I am right now, because I don’t have any definitive answers. This thing is still very fluid. The word is that the teams are still pushing to get this done. It has NOT gotten to commissioner Bud Selig, who has to sign off on the money, contrary to some reports out there, though the commissioner has certainly been kept apprised of what is happening. I’m hearing some pessimism out of the Sox side this a.m., although I remind you as of late yesterday afternoon, I was told there was slim chance of anything big happening. So that’s where we stand.
It appears that there is a less than 50% chance that this deal will happen. The Marlins just acquired left-handed reliever Arthur Rhodes. What does that mean ? Maybe he is headed to Boston, or that John Grabow would be shipped to the Sox.
According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette the Pirates are basically running the show on this trade:
10:53 a.m.: Just got off the phone with a couple people — non-Pirates — and there seems to be this growing sense that it is the Pirates really dictating this process. There are too many teams and too many moving parts to imagine that they are outright playing one deal off the other, but they probably are as close as they can be to doing exactly that. The Pirates’ thinking, according to one, is that they want two high-end types and one or two others, depending which direction they turn. Obviously, giving up Grabow makes for the higher number.
Ken Rosenthal reports:
The Pirates’ return from the Red Sox, sources say, is the last holdup in the deal. The Pirates are seeking an “appropriate return for an All-Star caliber left fielder” — and one who is affordable at $5.75 million this season and $7.5 million in 2009.